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Forum Case Study - Avoidant Personality Disorder APD
« on: June 18, 2018, 05:41:11 PM »
I'm going to lead a series of forum proof of concept/case studies over the next few months.

The first in the series is to explore what the medical world calls "Avoidant Personality Disorder"

People diagnosed as having "avoidant personality disorder", using the DSM-IV-TR criteria, might have the following key conflict:

They would like to be close to others and to live up to their intellectual and vocational potential, but they are afraid of being hurt, rejected, and unsuccessful.


- Their strategy (in contrast to the dependent) is to back off—or avoid getting
involved in the first place.

- They see themselves as socially inept and incompetent in academic or work situations.

- They see others as potentially critical, uninterested, and demeaning

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avoidant_personality_disorder

I'm looking for three forum members who would be interested in participating in this case study. This is completely do it yourself and you will take full responsibility for doing the work that is suggested. There will be no charge for this though there are some requirements.

1.) You will need the following PSTEC tools. Basic Clicktracks, 2015 Clicktracks, Accelerator Tracks, Belief Blasters, Positive Quantum Turbo

2.) You will need to attend an online webinar for one hour a week in which you interact with the other users. I will facilitate.

3.) You will be asked to report on your progress in detail here in this thread as you do the work.

4.) You will need to speak halfway decent English. :~)

Ok, so to be absolutely clear upfront, there is no guarantee of the results for each individual because every person and their past is different however, the purpose of this is for the community to demonstrate how PSTEC can quickly and effectively minimize and even possibly completely resolve this "condition".

If you are a forum member, own these tools and would be interested in participating, please send me a private message with a few paragraphs about your situation for consideration. And yes, we will have fun!

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« Last Edit: June 18, 2018, 05:59:53 PM by Brian »
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Re: Forum Case Study - Avoidant Personality Disorder APD
« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2018, 04:44:39 PM »
Hi Brian,

First, a general thanks for all your contributions on the forums: your responses resonate with me across various topics, and I have found a huge amount of valuable help in your insights, along with numerous other contributors of course.

I have chosen to participate in this case study, although I have not actually been diagnosed with AvPD by anyone, I certainly exhibit the key conflicts you describe, and I feel strongly compelled to seek help here. I hope perhaps that I can be included, I sense it would be extremely beneficial to me (and my family!), and, hopefully, to you also in your case study as proof of concept.

I have read about AvPD, and I feel strongly that it describes with great accuracy myself and one of my, if not my primary, mode of operating and "managing" my way in the world. One with frankly disastrous consequences. I am also aware that I also have signs of other personality disorders, I´m sure you'll see those evidently. I just want to get free from

Some briefs points about me:

- I yearn for social interaction, but I´m incredibly uncomfortable in social situations. I sweat profusely as a stress response any time I´m in public

- I´m very socially perceptive, perhaps from so much time observing rather than participating, but I will never approach anyone, even when it is painfully clear that they want to interact with me

- I´m actually a great conversationalist, and I love talking to people, but I only really speak to people if I´m sure they like me, and if they talk to me first

- When I do start talking to people, if we build some good rapport initially, I never let them closer

- When pushed, I can step up and lead a group conversation, and manage it well... for a bit, and then I get back in my shell asap and end up with the feeling that people just think I´m super weird, or rude, or I don't know what

- People generally like me very much on first impressions... I´m great at that first impression, providing I have the energy and desire to make the effort and put on the show, but I have consistently got very quickly to a point of making excuses (often "real" - e.g. "I can't afford it", "I have kids I can't", etc) and killing any potential relationship

- I have successfully alienated every friend I ever had to be honest

- I feel lonely almost all of the time, even when I´m with my wife and children, or at large events or gatherings... I just want to get away

- I have a number of excuses I give myself eg at work, even at sanctified social times and events, my attitude is always "work is work", and I get angry or upset or bitter about people not working and having fun and talking

- While I know I have the skills and ability to be social, I also know that those were the result of using various hypnosis tapes more than a decade ago in an attempt to treat the symptoms of much deeper problems. The result is that I avoid social contact wherever possible... and I desperately want more social interaction, desperately want to be part of a community, desperately want to share myself, and yet I generally end up acting in such a way that, sooner or later, people always become hostile towards me, or at best think I´m weird

- Really, to be honest, I really am pretty weird. I´m 80% extreme extrovert, ridiculously anxious about even going out in public, but I guess I´m "high-functioning"

Ok, not so brief, and yet... there's so much more, I really don't know what to say! I think an important thing to mention is that I, almost daily for as long as I remember, go out in public because I love being around people but I always do so in a way that I won't have to deal with others, but I get some validation or attention or interaction, eg:

-go to a cafe with my notebook, drink way too much coffee and write feverishly (I´m a writer), totally aloof, while desperate for someone to talk to me, and terrified that they will.

-ride my bike along the boardwalk so I´m around people but I don't have to talk with them

-go to the gym for hours but avoid eye contact and if anyone tries to talk to me tell them I "have to get back to my workout", despite wishing I could just go and talk to people

I look forward to hearing back from you, and to working through any suggestions you have for me.

Thank you so much for your time, and I understand if I am not a good candidate - I think I clearly have more than just AvPD going on, and perhaps that's not helpful for the case study.

James
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Re: Forum Case Study - Avoidant Personality Disorder APD
« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2018, 05:02:16 PM »
James - Thank you so much for sharing so much detail.

I do have one question for you. Have you ever felt like a fake, phone, fraud or an "impostor"? That if others knew who you really were they would reject you and even abandon you?

(I had this horribly at one point. Completely paralyzing and normal for so many people.)

Look forward to your response.

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Re: Forum Case Study - Avoidant Personality Disorder APD
« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2018, 05:24:28 PM »
I have changed this slightly in that a user can participate in this case study if the only products they have are Belief Blasters and the free basic clicktracks. If you have EEF or 2015 tracks they will work even better.

It would be an added benefit if you have Positive Quantum Turbo though it shouldn't be necessary.

I'm also considering to expand the scope of this experimental case study to include what the psychology world calls "Schizotypal and Schizoid Personality Disorders". If you have ever been "diagnosed" with the patterns of these, please send me a PM with a little info.

Thanks
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Re: Forum Case Study - Avoidant Personality Disorder APD
« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2018, 03:32:36 AM »
I do have one question for you. Have you ever felt like a fake, phone, fraud or an "impostor"? That if others knew who you really were they would reject you and even abandon you?

Yes, absolutely, you're describing my whole life. It's crippling.

An example: I've been internationally certified as a personal trainer for nearly a year now. There's a large fitness community here, including international level leaders / world champions in both the training world and the bodybuilding world (former Mr Olympias, current GB Olympic team member) who know / support me and tell me I would be amazing at it. The training institute that I certified with kept telling me they've never seen someone so ready to just " start now and be super successful" - they even asked me to come back to the course 6 months later as a paid instructor to teach others. I had the opportunity to work for one of the biggest name international gyms in the world, a 5 minute bicycle ride from where I live...

I haven't taken a single client. I'm absolutely terrified I'll be "found out" as a fraud, imposter, etc - despite so much support and opportunity. I avoided it all, and now am stuck in a desk job working for a company who are literally just a bunch of crooks and scammers and I hate it, but I have no other option, and I need the money to support my family and pay off a very large amount of debt... Again (I worked in the oil industry for 3 years and cleared many 10s of 1000s already, only to get myself back to the same level less than 4 years later)

Wow that sucks to summarize in public!
« Last Edit: July 04, 2018, 03:38:27 AM by James »
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Re: Forum Case Study - Avoidant Personality Disorder APD
« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2018, 11:08:59 AM »
I do have one question for you. Have you ever felt like a fake, phone, fraud or an "impostor"? That if others knew who you really were they would reject you and even abandon you?

Yes, absolutely, you're describing my whole life. It's crippling.

An example: I've been internationally certified as a personal trainer for nearly a year now. There's a large fitness community here, including international level leaders / world champions in both the training world and the bodybuilding world (former Mr Olympias, current GB Olympic team member) who know / support me and tell me I would be amazing at it. The training institute that I certified with kept telling me they've never seen someone so ready to just " start now and be super successful" - they even asked me to come back to the course 6 months later as a paid instructor to teach others. I had the opportunity to work for one of the biggest name international gyms in the world, a 5 minute bicycle ride from where I live...

I haven't taken a single client. I'm absolutely terrified I'll be "found out" as a fraud, imposter, etc - despite so much support and opportunity. I avoided it all, and now am stuck in a desk job working for a company who are literally just a bunch of crooks and scammers and I hate it, but I have no other option, and I need the money to support my family and pay off a very large amount of debt... Again (I worked in the oil industry for 3 years and cleared many 10s of 1000s already, only to get myself back to the same level less than 4 years later)

Wow that sucks to summarize in public!

Wow.
Thank you for posting about all of this. I can deeply relate to you, you have guts and courage to share your deepest insecurities and i honestly commend you for it. IF this is who you truly are, than you are a much better person than you think, because as i said before standing up and dishing it out like that takes great strength, a strength you clearly have.
Not only have you noticed your flaws, you have owned them, and now you have taken the conscious decision to become a better person by overcoming those flaws, so fair play to you.
Look forward to hear about your progress with this.
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I think this a great idea brian!  :)

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« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2018, 02:42:05 PM »
Thank you so much for saying so, that's deeply touching and generous. Honestly I want nothing more than to take my lifetime of mistakes, poor choices, and hurt of both myself and, sadly, many others, and turn it around to help others heal. Your response was quite unexpected but warmly and happily received - frankly it gives me hope that perhaps it is possible, the redemption that I earnestly seek.

I have spent almost almost all of my life lying and being deceptive, and I reached a point where I just can't do it any more - my heart is on my sleave and I'll gladly share my truth with anyone who will listen, if only it someway can prevent one more person from experiencing any negativity. After all that I've spread and the bad things I have done, I just can't bare to be the source of any more, and I hope and pray that I can get to a place where I can put some positivity into this world.

Thank you so much for your kind words, I appreciate them more than I can express.

Onwards.
« Last Edit: July 04, 2018, 03:02:36 PM by James »
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« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2018, 06:06:18 PM »
James firstly I'd like to express my sincere gratitude for your openness courage and massive heart. Taking responsibility for my life was a long tough road I blamed my parents for years and lost some great relationships pushing away friends and women who loved me for who I was. My big two I feel were not feeling enough or good enough and also not thinking I was actually loveable. Subconsciously of course after breaking down the layers. This is nothing short of inspiring bro good for you and best of luck. "You can do it"

Brian I'd love to be involved I can totally relate to a lot of these things and although never labeled by a professional I could easily be associated with some of these patterns.

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« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2018, 03:14:36 AM »
Wow, thank you also Ed! I was not expecting this to be so supportive!

Yes, my parents were "to blame" for many things, other family members too. I always knew I was mad at my mother (although the full extent and depth of the anger was quite shocking when I was working on that with a different process with a counsellor last year). I was very surprised that I was also angry at my father.

It's liberating to have the feeling that I actually have some control, more and more, as I am able to take ownership of my own actions.

Thank you for your comment and support. I hope and expect I will have happier things to post about over the next weeks!
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Re: Forum Case Study - Avoidant Personality Disorder APD
« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2018, 07:48:46 AM »
Hi James and Ed,

Thank you so much for contributing and for sharing your stories.

Thank you also to Brian for putting this together and for giving so freely of his time and knowledge. You are all in very good hands.

I appreciate how honest you both are. It is not always easy to identify with anything that might be deemed as a vulnerability but, I assure you both, there is a real strength in vulnerability. Vulnerability, as far as I see it, is just a label to describe the effects of "no longer settling."  That can feel unsettling, but you are worth it.

We can get into patterns of denial, distraction and repression. In facf, it is common.

Thank you, James, for being so courageous to own this. I know that your honesty has and will inspire many others. It is a great example. The time is right for you, I sense. You will get this handled.

So much appreciation goes for Brian as well. As many of you will know, Brian has shared so much over the years and I know that has helped so many people see what is possible.

There is ALWAYS a way.

I am really looking forward to reading about the progress you all make.

Paul  :)
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« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2018, 12:35:44 PM »
Thank you for your kind words, Paul. Another forum user Alphadogdevil has also elected to participate in the case study.

Looking for one more participant. Please send me a PM if you are interested. Thank you.
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« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2018, 04:17:16 PM »
Hi Brian/guys although I'm making good progress and continuing to use pstec everyday, I've a few issues also to do with social exchanges and feeling more relaxed around groups of people that I feel could be worked on. Staying present and listening in conversations instead of jumping to answer or simply feeling a little bored (I know 😊) when they are speaking is common for me. Also sometimes thinking the worse and relating everything to myself (ego) can slip in mid sentence, busy brain making meaning to everything instead of just relaxing and listening. Then I feel like a fake or fraud after if that makes sense. 🤙👍

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« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2018, 06:25:37 AM »
Hello,

I am going to let loose and completely have a go on this post since I am sick and tired of this bs and I need to get this handled.

I want to give a brief description on what my experience of life has been like.

Coming from a background of being critically judged for every little thing and having to abide by a certain set of rules which was basically impossible to follow as a young child and probably the reason why I have given a straight up fuck you to all those gayass outdated rules.

Coming from a background of being made fun of people for every little thing, the way I walked being made fun of by friends, being good in school and then the subsequent year being bad at a couple of subjects and being made to stand in front of the whole class and subjected to massive shame for example "How could you have stood first in the year before you cant even pass maths in this current year and u think you are going to come first this year?" - that was an example that stands out in my mind - hope that hoe is dead now - lol - This has led to complete and massive failures in academics since then well not complete failures but as in I have to push through everything to even get a slight bit of success. Paul is helping me out with this and has helped me remove a lot of my mental and emotional blocks for it and I am thankful for this to him.



Being forcefully made to sit at home and not go out with friends to play video games at the arcade is another example or being beaten several times for going to the arcade regardless of being told not to.

Couple of rejections from girls in middle school leading to decrease in confidence and thinking I was ugly leading to more dysfunctional relations in college whereby I had to do the rejection before they rejected me that is after they expressed interest and we got together then I had to end it because I didnt want to get emotional or get to close incase they fucked me over-This led to some of the girls getting very angry and spreading false rumours and stories to I guess protect their egos and to make me undesirable and for themselves to still be very desirable - Didnt do anything to protect my character and reputation since I realised most of the guys are cucks anyways so why bother with them when they always side with the girl regardless - This is still true in that country - I can laugh about it now as to the whole retardedness of it since I CT'd it but damn that shit was painful back in the day.


Change of school leading to being bullied but somehow I realised that the way to counter bullies is to bully them back very very severely, had to get physical a couple of times to stand my ground whereby got jumped by like 8 guys together, still kept going and from that day was not bullied again ever in life- My motto still is to stomp on bullies when they come my way - which is the role I had to take in the new school and standing up for a couple of guys who were being bullied for several years before my arrival - we are still friends till this day - but being told by guys and girls "you are not popular enough to hang around us " - LOL - this is so retarded now that I think about it - none of those people are shit right now on the planet.


I am not crying, being emotional, being bitter or any judgements that might be thrown my way here on the forum  I am letting u guys know the experiences that I have had to go through. Maybe I am and you guys could point it out to me for me to fix it if it is constructive. Dunno really. 

All of these experiences have made me be a total outcast for most of my life and I was ok with being it whereby hearing people talk about stuff like them feeling lonely made me think "ha amateurs " but until Brian and Paul told me it doesnt have to be that way and things can change I am looking at this from a totally different perspective.

These are the experiences I have had till now and they have basically made me fit into the role/definitions given on avoidant personality disorder and I fit the mold perfectly.

So those are a couple of my experiences that I wrote above since Brian asked me to write out something similar to James.

James was another reason why I wanted to post since he came right out with it and hasnt held anything back so I was like "whoa I have basically nothing to lose and everything to gain by just writing my stuff out here"

Thanks for your post James.


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« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2018, 07:50:23 AM »
Thank you Alphadogdevil -

Ok so we have three all locked in. We will begin this week and it will be nice to see everyone's progress as they become themselves. Thank you everyone.
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« Reply #14 on: July 07, 2018, 07:52:10 AM »
Hi Alpha,

Thank you for sharing - I can relate to a lot of what you said and your experiences - we have some very similar ones! I am very happy that I was able to help you feel comfortable with opening up.

You helped me remember the day we all got our exam results at the end of high school. It was a very prestigious school, what's called a "grammar" school in England - lots of very wealthy families spend a lot of money on tutors during middle school so that their kids can pass the entrance exams to get in. It's not private school: you can't pay to get in, you can only get in on merit. I am not from a wealthy family, I just happened to pass the test that my parents made me take.

Anyway, the head of the upper school, on the day of the exam results, yelled at me across the parking lot in front of everyone, telling me how I´d let the school down, I should be ashamed, that I was a disappointment, etc. Man... I had forgotten it, and certainly not realised the impact it still has on me. Gotta CT that!

I can also relate to your experiences with girls - I have hundreds of stories of rejection that race through my mind as I read your post. I was also bullied at school, and at home by my big brother and his friends.

I´ve felt like an outcast my whole life, and I too have been angry at many people. And that's what I wanted to mention to you: I feel so much anger in your post. I´m not judging you in any way, in fact, I totally relate to that anger. I think you feel it too, and know that there's more to clear. Please do not see it as an attack or anything negative; quite the contrary - I hope that perhaps I can help you to accept yourself for how you are, because that's needed to heal and change and be who you want to be, and happy with it.

I feel that perhaps I am older than you (I´m 35) and if I may, I´d love to give you the benefit of my experience: PSTEC is going to help you deal with all of this. I´ve tried so many things over the last 2 decades, at different times here and there, and each thing certainly had value... but I never used them well, and never committed to it.

Just by posting here, you have made a big step. One that I never had the balls to make for so long. I applaud and congratulate you for it, and again, I am sincerely thankful if my post helped you make yours.

We're in this together brother. This fucked up world and all the people related to your pain and suffering - we all need stronger young men. Stronger brothers, fathers, husbands, and leaders. Whatever your purpose and path may be, what you choose to do with your life, getting this stuff handled and healed is going to allow you to bring your value to the world.

You're already started the process. I hope very much we can continue to help each other through it. Welcome.

« Last Edit: July 07, 2018, 07:53:45 AM by James »
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